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New Thinking is about the people working to fix a justice system that can fall so short of our ideals, and about the people organizing to build something new in its place. It’s hosted by Matt Watkins.

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    The Inequities of COVID-19: A Focus on Public Housing

    by Matt Watkins

    The effects of the coronavirus are not being experienced equally. Whether it’s infection rates, deaths, or job losses, people of low-income and of color are being hit hardest. In New York City, many of those effects are concentrated in communities where public housing is located. Our Neighborhood Safety Initiatives works with public housing residents. On New Thinking, the program's Alicia Arrington explains the challenge, and the response.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Placemaking
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    "One of These Days We Might Find Us Some Free"

    by Matt Watkins

    In 1996, 16-year-old Reginald Dwayne Betts was sentenced to nine years in prison for a carjacking. He spent much of that time reading, and eventually writing. After prison, he went to Yale Law School and published a memoir and three books of poems. But he’s still wrestling with what “after prison” means. This is a conversation about incarceration and the weight of history, both political and personal. Betts's most recent collection of poems is Felon.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Arts and Justice, Reducing Trauma
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    College Incarcerated

    by Matt Watkins

    What if you brought together prosecutors and people they may have helped to incarcerate for a college seminar behind bars on the criminal justice system, and asked them to produce a list of policy recommendations? That's the premise of a novel experiment in prison education. On New Thinking, hear from Jarrell Daniels, a program graduate, and Lucy Lang, executive director of the Institute for Innovation in Prosecution, who conceived of the idea.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Reentry, Workforce Development
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    What Do We Know About Community Service?

    by Matt Watkins

    Community service has been a staple of sentencing in the United States for more than 50 years, yet we know surprisingly little about how it's actually being used. In Act One of this episode of New Thinking, an audio snapshot of community service at the Center for Court Innovation. In Act Two, Joanna Weiss of the Fines and Fees Justice Center offers a national perspective on community service, and the troubling findings of two new reports.

    Diversion
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    Ending Bail, Closing Rikers: How Change Happens

    by Matt Watkins

    What’s the connection between ending bail and closing jails? Organizing, organizing, organizing. On New Thinking, the Katal Center's gabriel sayegh explains why New York's reforms to bail might be the most significant in the country, and, when it comes to New York City's notorious Rikers jail, what needs to happen to get "the last person off that island."

    Bail Reform, Diversion
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    'Jail-Attributable Deaths'

    by Matt Watkins

    As chief medical officer for New York City jails, Homer Venters realized early in his tenure that for many people dying in jail, the primary cause of death was jail itself. To document what was actually taking place behind bars, Venters and his team created a statistical category no one had dared to track before: "jail-attributable deaths." His work led him into frequent opposition with the security services. It also led to his book, Life and Death in Rikers Island.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Justice-Involved Women
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    Art vs. Mass Incarceration

    by Matt Watkins

    Can art transform the criminal justice system? On this special edition of New Thinking, host Matt Watkins sits down with two New York City artists on the rise—Derek Fordjour and Shaun Leonardo—who both work with our Project Reset to provide an arts-based alternative to court and a criminal record for people arrested on a low-level charge. With the program set to expand city-wide, the three discuss art's potential to expose and contain a racialized criminal justice system.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Arts and Justice, Diversion, Youth Initiatives
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    What We All Get Wrong About Gun Violence

    by Matt Watkins

    While crime has been declining amid COVID-19, in cities across the country, gun violence and homicides have been the exceptions. Long-time researcher and former Obama Department of Justice official, Thomas Abt, says there are proven solutions to reduce the violence. But he says both the right and the left fail to grasp the essence of any solution: focus on the violence itself. Abt is the author of Bleeding Out: The Devastating Consequences of Urban Violence and a Bold New Plan for Peace in the Streets.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Reducing Trauma, Reducing Violence
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    Marilyn Mosby, Karl Racine: "We're Talking About Humans"

    by Matt Watkins

    With so much focus on keeping people out of jail and prison, what about work to improve life for the more than two million people already there? One group beginning to mobilize on the issue is prosecutors. Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby and Washington, D.C., Attorney General Karl Racine explain the “bright line” they see running from the overt racial control in America’s past to the disparities and dehumanizing practices behind bars today.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Youth Initiatives
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    The Pathological Politics of Criminal Justice

    by Matt Watkins

    Rachel Barkow contends criminal justice policy is a “prisoner of politics,” driven by appeals to voters’ worst instincts and an aversion to evidence of what actually works. In her new book, the NYU law professor makes a provocative case for “freeing” criminal justice from the political imperative in order to achieve real reform.

    Bail Reform, Evidence-Based Practices, Learning from Failure, Reentry

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