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New Thinking Podcast

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New Thinking is about the people working to fix a justice system that can fall so short of our ideals, and about the people organizing to build something new in its place. It’s hosted by Matt Watkins.

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    Does the Criminal Justice System Cause Crime?

    by Matt Watkins

    What's the most effective way to reduce the chance of an arrest in the future? A new study suggests it's shrinking the size of the justice system in the here and now. Boston D.A. Rachael Rollins and the director of NYU's Public Safety Lab, Anna Harvey, talk about the benefits of not prosecuting low-level charges—an almost 60 percent reduction in recidivism—and the challenges, even with data in hand, of bucking the conventional wisdom.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Bail Reform, Diversion, Evidence-Based Practices
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    How Will the Death Penalty End?

    by Matt Watkins

    Maurice Chammah says the unprecedented federal execution spree during the final weeks of the Trump presidency is evidence of the death penalty's continued decline, not its resurgence. The journalist is the author of the new book, Let the Lord Sort Them: The Rise and Fall of the Death Penalty. Chammah tracks the use and symbolism of the death penalty alongside the long arc of U.S history and the evolution of the criminal justice system.

    Addressing Racial Disparities
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    COVID-19 Behind Bars: A Pandemic of Neglect

    by Matt Watkins

    Homer Venters has been inspecting prisons, jails, and ICE detention centers for COVID-compliance almost since the start of the pandemic. The former chief medical officer for New York City jails says what were already substandard health systems and abusive environments have deteriorated sharply. Any fix to health care behind bars, he says, has to start with listening to the people these facilities have worked to silence: those with lived experience of the conditions.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Evidence-Based Practices
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    Josie Duffy Rice: Fighting a Big Fight

    by Matt Watkins

    Josie Duffy Rice says remaking the justice system is a generational struggle, but it's one progressives are winning. The well-known criminal justice commentator and activist, and president of the news site The Appeal, explains why she believes in the power of big ideas, and offers her take on the federal election, "defund the police," and the role of the media in promoting—or thwarting—change.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Bail Reform, Reducing Violence, Treatment Courts
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    Guns, Young People, Hidden Networks

    by Matt Watkins

    Why do some young people carry guns? It's a difficult question to answer. People in heavily-policed neighborhoods with high rates of violence aren't generally enthusiastic about answering questions about guns. On New Thinking, hear from three of the authors of a year-long study we led into young people and guns. The findings are disturbing, but if the goal is to learn from marginalized communities themselves what help they need, no less important is the way the research was conducted.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Reducing Violence, Youth Initiatives
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    Reform and Its Discontents

    by Matt Watkins

    The movement to reform prisons is almost as old as prisons themselves. But what is the ultimate goal of reform of a system like the criminal justice system? On our New Thinking podcast, Maya Schenwar and Victoria Law explain why they think many of today's most popular reforms are extending, rather than countering, the justice system's harmful effects. Their new book is Prison By Any Other Name.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Gender and Family Justice, Justice-Involved Women, Restorative Justice, Technology, Treatment Courts
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    Restorative Justice is Racial Justice

    by Matt Watkins

    Restorative justice is about repairing harm. But for Black Americans, what is there to be restored to? This special episode of New Thinking features a roundtable with eight members of our Restorative Justice in Schools team. They spent three years embedded in five Brooklyn high schools—all five schools are overwhelmingly Black, and all five had some of the highest suspension rates in New York City.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Restorative Justice, Youth Initiatives
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    Justice and the Virus: Racial Patterns

    by Matt Watkins

    The death of George Floyd after a white police officer pressed his knee to Floyd's neck for close to nine minutes has triggered a wave of anger and revulsion. Vincent Southerland, the executive director of the Center on Race, Inequality, and the Law at NYU, compares the brazen nature of Floyd's death to a lynching. The furor comes in the midst of a pandemic itself exacerbated by racism. How will COVID-19, and the reaction to police violence, affect the deep racial patterns of the justice system?

    Addressing Racial Disparities
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    Justice and the Virus: Rachel Barkow

    by Matt Watkins

    With justice systems across the country scrambling to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, there is a lot of talk about what justice is going to look like when the virus ends. But what has the response actually consisted of, and is there any reason to anticipate a "new normal" will emerge? On New Thinking, New York University law professor Rachel Barkow explains her skepticism.

    Bail Reform, Reentry
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    Getting People Off Rikers Island in a Pandemic

    by Matt Watkins

    Jails and prisons have quickly emerged as epicenters of the COVID-19 pandemic. As New York City struggled to get people out from behind bars, it turned to a trio of nonprofits to repurpose a successful program on the fly. The urgency of supporting people released abruptly from jail in the midst of a pandemic is clear, but so are the challenges. The experience also raises the question: what happens to criminal justice when the virus ends?

    Bail Reform, Reentry

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