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Rooted in history and the urgency of now, New Thinking talks to the people working to reform—or remake—the criminal legal system. It’s hosted by Matt Watkins.

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    Marilyn Mosby, Karl Racine: "We're Talking About Humans"

    by Matt Watkins

    With so much focus on keeping people out of jail and prison, what about work to improve life for the more than two million people already there? One group beginning to mobilize on the issue is prosecutors. Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby and Washington, D.C., Attorney General Karl Racine explain the “bright line” they see running from the overt racial control in America’s past to the disparities and dehumanizing practices behind bars today.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Youth Initiatives
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    The Pathological Politics of Criminal Justice

    by Matt Watkins

    Rachel Barkow contends criminal justice policy is a “prisoner of politics,” driven by appeals to voters’ worst instincts and an aversion to evidence of what actually works. In her new book, the NYU law professor makes a provocative case for “freeing” criminal justice from the political imperative in order to achieve real reform.

    Bail Reform, Evidence-Based Practices, Learning from Failure, Reentry
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    Emily Bazelon: When Power Shifts

    by Matt Watkins

    On New Thinking, the well-known journalist and commentator Emily Bazelon talks about her new book, Charged, on the "movement to transform American prosecution," and where she thinks power might be shifting in the criminal justice system. Progressive prosecutors are very much a minority among elected D.A.s, but what if they could be the model for dismantling what Bazelon calls America's "giant machine of punishment"?

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Reducing Violence, Restorative Justice
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    Misdemeanors Matter #3: Rachael Rollins Reboots Low-Level Justice

    by Matt Watkins

    Rachael Rollins says she has seen the criminal justice system from "almost every angle." Now, as Boston's first female African-American district attorney, she's setting the agenda. On New Thinking, she explains her approach of "services not sentences" as a response to low-level "crimes of poverty" and the urgency of changing the traditional role of the prosecutor.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Evidence-Based Practices
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    New Jails to End All Jails?

    by Matt Watkins

    Like a number of cities across the U.S., New York City is in the midst of a remarkable, often contentious, debate about the future and purpose of its jails. New Thinking host Matt Watkins recently moderated a public discussion of the city’s pledge to replace its notorious Rikers Island jail complex with a series of smaller, modern facilities—located near courthouses, not on an isolated island. It's a shift the mayor says will end the era of mass incarceration in the city.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Justice-Involved Women, Reentry, Restorative Justice
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    The Cost of Being Poor? The Fight Against Fines and Fees

    by Matt Watkins

    Fines and fees are capturing millions of Americans in a cycle of poverty and justice-involvement. Various states across the country charge you for use of a public defender, your monthly parole meetings, even a jury trial. And that’s in addition to the fines attached to a conviction. Fall behind on your payments and you could end up in jail. New Thinking talks to a judge who’s come up with a new approach, and to Alexes Harris, a leading researcher on how fines and fees are used across the country.

    Access to Justice
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    Prosecutor Power #8: What's Next for Progressive Prosecutors?

    by Matt Watkins

    How can the recent victories of the campaign to elect reform-minded district attorneys be wedded to larger systemic change to ensure the movement’s gains outlast the next election? On the final episode of our Prosecutor Power series, the ACLU's Somil Trivedi says progressive D.A.s have to take the next step of campaigning to reduce their own power.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Bail Reform, Diversion
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    Misdemeanors Matter #2: Alexandra Natapoff on a Legacy of Injustice

    by Matt Watkins

    Alexandra Natapoff calls the misdemeanor justice system a "quiet behemoth": making up four of every five criminal cases in the U.S., neglected by scholars and reformers, and potentially harming those caught up in it for life. In Punishment Without Crime, she describes a system warped by financial incentives that acts as a leading engine of racial and social inequality. She also says the reforms are obvious, and already happening in pockets across the country.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Bail Reform, Diversion
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    Prosecutor Power #7: Strength in Numbers

    by Matt Watkins

    The movement to elect reform-minded prosecutors has been around long enough and scored enough victories that progressive D.A.s now have their own support network: Fair and Just Prosecution. Miriam Krinsky, its executive director, explains why she thinks "starry-eyed idealists" who want to transform the justice system need to get the message that "the biggest difference they can make is to go and work in a prosecutor's office."

    Community Justice, Diversion, Reducing Violence, Treatment Courts
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    Heal and Punish? When Therapy Is the Alternative to Incarceration

    by Matt Watkins

    How effective is therapy or treatment when it's used instead of incarceration, and what are the challenges to conducting it inside the coercive context of the criminal justice system? New Thinking host Matt Watkins is joined by clinical psychologist Jacob Ham who works with justice-involved young people affected by trauma, and John Jay College's Deborah Koetzle who evaluates programs aiming to help participants rebuild lives outside of the justice system.

    Diversion, Evidence-Based Practices, Problem-Solving Justice, Reducing Trauma, Reentry, Treatment Courts, Youth Initiatives

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